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the oldest

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon strickler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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strange manifestations of remarkable

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discovery to strange lands

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thanks again for joining me this evening

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oh thank you to be here

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so uh once again

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we are getting sightings out of chicago

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and uh

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you know it's almost like when the

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weather turns

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this thing starts so since the report

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came directly to you why don't you uh

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tell everybody about uh what you had

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just received this week

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well i got a sighting report the other

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so i haven't even finished updating the

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website but

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um this young lady and a

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pair of her friends were out for an

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evening walk they do

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they walk along the lake for the trail

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um they

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were rounding about the uh museum campus

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which in chicago

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is the area that includes the field

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museum the adler planetarium

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the shed across aquarium street from

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there would be

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um soldier field and

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from there is grant park that uh

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buckingham fountain

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if you're from chicago you more or less

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know what i'm talking about

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um but the trail runs around the whole

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area

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and uh she could say that she was taking

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the path

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that was going along the back side of

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the shed aquarium

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now this is a path that's kind of

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elevated

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can you ronda hold back end of the shed

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aquarium you can look through

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you can see the uh the pools where they

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have dolphins and the beluga whales and

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everything

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um and then there's another part that's

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a little lower

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that's the actual lake front it's the

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jetties that

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are right up on the bunch of stuff onto

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the lakefront itself

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and um as they were walking um

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she said she saw something about 15 to

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20 feet in front of her

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and she thought it was just somebody

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taking a rest

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you know catching their breath or

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something while either walking or

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jogging

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but as she got closer uh she noticed

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that it was

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not leaned up against the railing it was

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actually perched up on the railing

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um now if you notice area you know that

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they're

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from the railing down to the toward uh

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to the lakefront it's about

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15 to 20 feet um so

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being perched up there is just you know

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recipe for disaster

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um but she says they got closer lifting

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she noticed it was solid black and

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it turned and she saw what looked like a

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pair of red eyes

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and she noticed that it had a pair of

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wings that were fixed to its back um

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she said they had stopped dead in their

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tracks and it kind of started making a

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chirping sound

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at them followed by a very loud screech

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um at this point it started flapping its

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wings

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and took off in the air about this time

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that

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it started doing this she heard a scream

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it was coming from a trio of women

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coming in the opposite direction that

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they were

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uh this thing took off into the air and

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was gone

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uh fire flying toward the area navy pier

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uh out over the open water

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uh they stood there like she said they

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tried to catch their breath kind of see

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if this thing was going to try to come

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back

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you know kind of process the whole thing

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they talked to the other

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uh witnesses that were coming asking if

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they had seen this

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and uh they said yeah they they said

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that they stepped

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sat around for about five minutes and

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after which they continued on their

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walking and just headed home

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now this young lady is you know she's in

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her 30s

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professional has lived in that area for

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about 10 years in the loop

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um and she says she has gone the same

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she's taking the same route

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with her friends on the weekly walks you

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know three four times a week

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um and she's like she said herself she

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doesn't really believe in the paranormal

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in the report she says i really don't

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believe in the ub boogie

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um but she says that this thing can

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it could have been a bird but she says

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it was shaped more like a man

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and she and like she stated when i

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talked to her

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she's never seen birds that have their

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wings perched

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on their back um and that's what really

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stood out

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um she went home she told her girlfriend

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about it

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her girlfriend um kind of laughed it off

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and said it might have been a

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miscellaneous viper

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but at the same time started telling her

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about all the mothman settings

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so you know curiosity got you know the

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better part of her she started looking

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it up

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and that's where she found the site and

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this the first sighting we've had

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down along the lake let alone downtown

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over a year i'd say wouldn't you think

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about about a year year and a half

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uh we had a string of them along uh near

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the adler planetarium which is part of

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the media campus

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a couple of them along the navy pier a

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couple of them along

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the riverwalk um out by the marinas

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uh but it's been you know quite a while

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before since we've had one

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most of them been centered out toward

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the airport which we've had recent ones

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out at the airport but yeah the first

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time we've had them

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you know that close to the lakefront

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so uh why don't you tell us about the uh

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the latest sightings out at uh o'hare

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uh i think we've had two of them within

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month yes and of course we had that

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dragon

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report over there at portage park which

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is about

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two miles east of uh o'hara

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had you heard it had had you heard

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anything about

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any follow-up on that uh on that dragon

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report

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uh none whatsoever i've been out to that

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area

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i mean it's your typical chicago name

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you know suburb neighborhood

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it's uh you know most of the parkings on

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the street

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alleyways but you know we drove around

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there thinking like

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you know what could we see you know and

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you know nothing out of the ordinary um

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a lot of trees so

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it kind of rules out for me at least it

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rules out that it could have been like a

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tight

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you know because there are a lot of

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wires in that area in that block there's

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a junction of telephone and electrical

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wires

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so and a lot of trees a lot of big trees

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so you know in my mind that kind of

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rules out the possibility not saying

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that it could be a kite

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but um as far as anything you know

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coming out of that area

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nothing since then um what really

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surprised me is that he said it was more

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dragon like

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uh than you know wind humanoid

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um which is kind of like a a strange

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you know mix to though to this whole

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thing but of course we had that recent

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photo that came out that

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people were saying looked like a dragon

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and um you know so we never know we

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might have a new player in the game um

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as well as that area but as far as the

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reports out of chicago o'hare we've had

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two um let me go to the first ones

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uh the first one was made by a airport

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employee

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the gentleman uh was a shuttle bus

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driver

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and if you've ever been on hotel here

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you've seen the little white boxes

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uh those are the shuttles that take you

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the different places and he was near the

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new parking terminal that they built

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they expanded the monorail

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and a huge parking area that's where all

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most of the uh

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the rental companies are out in this new

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area and you see it's a terminus for all

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the buses

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um you will any given day at night

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you'll see two dozen buses sitting

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around

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uh because they come they stop that's

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kind of like the end of the line

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they'll still go back on their route

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again um

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he was staged there he said he had

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wandered away from the bus to take a

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smoke break

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when he saw a large owl fly over the top

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of the building and disappeared behind

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the

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parking garage he said it was about 30

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to 40 feet off the ground

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i already tried to fly over but it made

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no sound

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and it looked like like a giant black

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thing with very large wings

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um he said seaside for all two or three

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seconds as it flew overhead and over the

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building out of sight

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he didn't see it again even when he

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drove around the side of the building

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as he was headed out um the interesting

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thing was i had a

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you know long talk with the gentleman

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via telephone

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and um you know we talked about this uh

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incident and the thing that really stuck

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out about it was that he was told by his

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supervisors

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you know directly that this all it was a

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misidentified large bird

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and that he should not speak to anyone

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else about these sightings

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um and he says they were very adamant

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about

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that do not speak to anybody else

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about the sightings you know he thought

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that

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it was maybe a large bird but he was not

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certain

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because he's seen large birds you know

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there's all sorts of wildlife at the

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airport um

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that you see out there but he says that

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um

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the wingspan easily was 15 to 20 feet

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by his estimates and which from tip to

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tip and this thing was easily the size

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of a human being

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um you know that he had seen that larger

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than any bird he had ever seen

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but you know he really he didn't want to

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really elaborate

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because he was you know worried about

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his job he was a long-term employee

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there

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he didn't want to you know really go

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into any more depth i

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wanted to say anonymous about it because

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he's like he said they were pretty

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adamant about

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you know please do not talk to anybody

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about this

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um and these are by the supervisors you

357
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know

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they're the second one

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that happened was about i just wanna say

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about a week or so later

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um and the funny thing was

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where you see the terminus where it's at

363
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you can look directly to where the

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second sighting happened

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um this happened at the uh

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that's a building that houses the city

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of chicago department of aviation

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the worker had been there who had the

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sighting

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had been working at that building for

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over nine years and before that had been

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working at the airport in another

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capacity for five years before that

374
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so she was a very long-term uh employee

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she knew

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the airport like the back of her hand um

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and she says that you know she heard

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stories about all the uh

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you know goings on the strange heist you

380
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know sightings of

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ufos and you know cryptids and

382
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you know just about anything and

383
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everything you can think of

384
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out there um she had stayed late to

385
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catch up on work

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and she had left it was about 9 p.m as

387
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she walked out of the building

388
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into the parking lot and she said that

389
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she heard what sounded like wings

390
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fluttering

391
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you know and she thought at first it was

392
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nothing she said it sounds like when the

393
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bird is either getting ready to take off

394
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for land

395
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and she dismissed it as you know the

396
00:14:20,629 --> 00:14:13,279
geese

397
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and it's not you know out of the

398
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ordinary to see them taking off or

399
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landing all over the place

400
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um right now especially because they got

401
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goslings

402
00:14:31,189 --> 00:14:29,920
everywhere they're like super aggressive

403
00:14:34,870 --> 00:14:31,199
um

404
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but she dismissed it as just a goose and

405
00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:36,320
you know like she said there's literally

406
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hundreds of them around the airport

407
00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:41,199
um but what followed was a loud screech

408
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and she said it didn't sound like a

409
00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:43,199
goose

410
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honk but very very loud ear splitting

411
00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:47,839
screech

412
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and she says it sounded like a train

413
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that's applying its brakes

414
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the problem was that it went from a

415
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higher octave

416
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to a lower body and then again and then

417
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she says

418
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the train tracks are three to four miles

419
00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:02,480
away on the

420
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other side of the airport um

421
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and so she continued walking toward her

422
00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:09,519
car when she heard the screech again and

423
00:15:13,030 --> 00:15:10,560
it sounded like it was coming from

424
00:15:15,189 --> 00:15:13,040
behind her she turned and looked

425
00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:15,199
toward the trees that were by the road

426
00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:16,800
and what she saw were two red eyes

427
00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:18,480
staring back at her

428
00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:20,160
and she said she sat there looking at

429
00:15:25,189 --> 00:15:22,160
those eyes for what seemed eternity

430
00:15:26,949 --> 00:15:25,199
in her in her words she actually

431
00:15:28,310 --> 00:15:26,959
felt like you know that this thing was

432
00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:28,320
sizing her up

433
00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:31,360
um like stop almost like stalking her

434
00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:33,120
and she felt like the air was being

435
00:15:36,389 --> 00:15:34,560
sucked under her lungs

436
00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:36,399
at the same time and she was about to

437
00:15:39,829 --> 00:15:38,240
have an asthma attack

438
00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:39,839
and she saw this thing emerge from

439
00:15:44,710 --> 00:15:41,600
around the trees and

440
00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:44,720
it was illuminated because where

441
00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:47,040
the back of the building was the parking

442
00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:48,399
there's a parking lot then there's a

443
00:15:51,110 --> 00:15:49,360
road

444
00:15:52,629 --> 00:15:51,120
where the trees are and across the

445
00:15:55,749 --> 00:15:52,639
street is a large

446
00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:55,759
terminal uh where they have cargo plates

447
00:15:58,870 --> 00:15:57,680
coming in and out and this terminal is

448
00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:58,880
lit up

449
00:16:02,150 --> 00:16:00,480
really really bright i've actually got

450
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:02,160
pictures of it um

451
00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:04,560
it's the planes will actually park right

452
00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:05,839
next to the building and they'll be

453
00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:06,720
unloaded

454
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:08,480
there so it's always it's not uncommon

455
00:16:13,509 --> 00:16:10,320
to see you know three four

456
00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:13,519
five cargo huge cargo planes out there

457
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:15,360
with a lot of activity going on around

458
00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:17,040
it for being unloaded

459
00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:20,480
um and she said she sat there

460
00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:22,880
and saw this thing emerge she said it

461
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:24,800
was about seven to eight feet tall

462
00:16:31,189 --> 00:16:28,160
and was black and she just

463
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:31,199
said that it just she couldn't move she

464
00:16:35,110 --> 00:16:31,680
felt

465
00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:35,120
like kind of like prey like you know a

466
00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:36,800
rabbit's about to get pounced on by an

467
00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:37,839
owl

468
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:41,360
um and she said how about this time a

469
00:16:45,670 --> 00:16:43,680
large semi had turned the corner was

470
00:16:49,749 --> 00:16:45,680
coming up the road

471
00:16:51,829 --> 00:16:49,759
and um justine took off she says that um

472
00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:51,839
she stood there for a few seconds after

473
00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:53,199
they had left

474
00:16:57,509 --> 00:16:55,680
um she was still so very afraid to move

475
00:16:58,150 --> 00:16:57,519
that and when she finally got to her

476
00:17:01,269 --> 00:16:58,160
center she

477
00:17:01,910 --> 00:17:01,279
practically sprinted for her car and she

478
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:01,920
couldn't

479
00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:05,199
into my car fast enough and as i closed

480
00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:06,000
the door

481
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:08,559
i heard the screech again i turned on my

482
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:10,880
car and left as quickly as i could

483
00:17:18,309 --> 00:17:14,640
now this area is very well lit up

484
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:18,319
very high traffic uh even late at night

485
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:20,799
uh this this uh if you know the cargo

486
00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:22,640
operations at o'hare it's a 24-hour

487
00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:23,520
operation

488
00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:25,520
so you have trucks coming in and out you

489
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:27,280
have security

490
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:30,480
uh going in and out and she says that

491
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:32,640
she felt she felt like she was being

492
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,480
stalked like even after this thing had

493
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:36,240
taken off into the air if she was still

494
00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:37,600
being stopped

495
00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:40,320
she said she felt sick to her stomach

496
00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:41,840
for two or three days after the

497
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,799
encounter

498
00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:44,880
and it took just as long for the

499
00:17:47,830 --> 00:17:46,080
feelings of paranoia

500
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:47,840
to finally go away she said she slept

501
00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:49,440
with some kind of light on

502
00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:51,840
for two or three days you know after

503
00:17:56,549 --> 00:17:53,520
that because she is just so

504
00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:56,559
she felt like this feel this fear

505
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:58,960
you know complete utter hopelessness

506
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:00,480
feelings of paranoia

507
00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:03,520
you know and it really disturbed her

508
00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:07,039
um and really you know made her hesitant

509
00:18:11,669 --> 00:18:09,440
at first to try to make the report

510
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:11,679
um she said she didn't even tell her

511
00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:12,720
boyfriend about this

512
00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:14,960
and you could actually tell that

513
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:16,640
trepidation that she had

514
00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:20,080
when i was speaking with her um and she

515
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:21,520
said you know

516
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,640
this is uh she felt very very scared she

517
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:26,720
felt very scared for her life

518
00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:30,320
at this and i asked her you know are you

519
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:32,240
sure it couldn't be

520
00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:35,200
um train tracks or train brakes or it

521
00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:36,320
could have been a truck

522
00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:39,280
and she said no i'm used to those sounds

523
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:39,679
i mean

524
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:41,200
i know what those sounds sound like and

525
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:42,720
i know for a fact

526
00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:44,320
that the train where the train tracks

527
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:46,240
are located they are they are located on

528
00:18:51,510 --> 00:18:47,760
the other side of the airport

529
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,520
uh by the secondary cargo area um

530
00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:53,760
and she says that um when this thing

531
00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:56,320
took off it had about a 10 foot wingspan

532
00:19:00,870 --> 00:18:59,360
that she could estimate but it was gone

533
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:00,880
in a matter of seconds one or two

534
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:03,120
seconds after it took off it was gone

535
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:12,630
well once again we're getting witnesses

536
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,799
who are sticking to the guns on stories

537
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:16,559
not embellishing on

538
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:20,720
the initial setting report and um

539
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:22,880
you know i think we're in for a long

540
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:25,520
summer i'll be honest with you

541
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:28,720
um which is fine with me you know

542
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:31,039
you know the thing is how many people

543
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:33,280
aren't reporting now of course

544
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:36,160
we know that the uh the folks that are

545
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:39,200
running the airport are very wary about

546
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:40,799
these sighting reports and they're

547
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:43,200
telling people to stay away from us for

548
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:45,840
the most part

549
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:49,919
most of the people who i have talked to

550
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,000
within the airport and i have i have a

551
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:54,720
few people i keep in touch with

552
00:20:02,549 --> 00:19:59,520
keep telling me that i guess the uh

553
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,559
the company policy is just to say it's a

554
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:04,159
large owl

555
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:08,720
and uh i i just wonder how many people

556
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:10,159
they're discouraging from

557
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,360
contacting us uh i

558
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,600
the one of these individuals who i have

559
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:17,520
been talking to

560
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:21,360
is a supervisor for one of the airlines

561
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:22,559
uh

562
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:27,039
she actually she actually is in charge

563
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:27,440
of

564
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:30,720
uh the

565
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,120
luggage crews and those folks loading

566
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:35,280
the planes up

567
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,360
and uh you know she's telling me that

568
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:42,240
people are talking to her all the time

569
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:45,600
uh and she's hearing all kinds of stuff

570
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:46,960
now i got to get back with her

571
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:51,280
last time i talked to her was uh

572
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:54,320
i don't know maybe around the holidays

573
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:56,960
so i got to see him get contact with her

574
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,960
i know her brother because her brother

575
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:00,720
is an attorney

576
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:03,919
locally so um

577
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:08,320
yeah you know this uh of course

578
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,520
you know it's all speculation to us

579
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,760
where these things are coming from now

580
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:15,840
i'm pretty sure you're

581
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,720
your overall thoughts are very similar

582
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:20,080
to mine that this may

583
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:23,120
very well be a some type of

584
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:24,960
interdimensional

585
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,360
being or something coming through some

586
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:29,120
type of portal

587
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,320
uh what do you think on that i

588
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,880
really do think it is i mean i'm kind of

589
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:36,240
split between you know

590
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,960
portal or something being summoned yeah

591
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,240
um

592
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:42,640
they're you know chicago has a very rich

593
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:43,760
you know occult

594
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:47,360
and you know pagan history um

595
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,720
and i've seen a lot of uh you know you

596
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:51,679
can see the signs

597
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,960
you know where people have you know made

598
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:57,120
marks on the wall or something like that

599
00:22:03,190 --> 00:21:59,200
but it's um

600
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:03,200
you know the chicago area is also

601
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,480
very rich in bay lines um there are

602
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:08,720
quite a lot of lay lines in this city

603
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:12,159
um especially in the city proper many of

604
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:12,559
the

605
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:15,039
streets are supposedly built on ley

606
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:16,000
lines

607
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:19,760
um so it could be easily

608
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:23,120
very easily for something to to pop up

609
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,840
o'hare has a very rich history when it

610
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:26,960
comes to

611
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,799
you know the paranormal um ufos you know

612
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,960
cryptids aliens you know actual

613
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:34,559
sightings of aliens

614
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,919
um it goes far beyond you know everyone

615
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,520
knows about the o'hare

616
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:41,520
incident from a few years ago where the

617
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:42,880
airport saw you know

618
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,520
employees saw it but you know all you

619
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:47,200
gotta do is do a little bit of searching

620
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:47,919
you'll see that

621
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,880
that's just the tip of the iceberg um

622
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:52,320
and there's just so many

623
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:55,120
tunnels in and around the chicago area

624
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:55,440
and

625
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:58,880
around the airport there are you know

626
00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:01,280
places that are really wild out there

627
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:03,280
you know there's a lot of green spaces

628
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,400
in chicago

629
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:05,760
where something like this could hide

630
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,240
especially like around the uh

631
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,559
the riverfronts and everything along the

632
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:12,400
the disc plains river

633
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:15,760
um o'hare is a vast

634
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,120
fast it's the size of a small city yeah

635
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:21,360
and there are places out there that you

636
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,559
know you could find

637
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,200
you know yourself out there you're in an

638
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:27,280
international airport and there's nobody

639
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:28,240
around

640
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:31,840
um especially late late at night um

641
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,559
so yeah i think i'm kind of drawn

642
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,320
between the fact that it could be

643
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:39,360
you know you know a cult-based maybe a

644
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,720
summoned creature or

645
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,880
maybe even you know something that was

646
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:43,919
you know

647
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,669
my hope is eventually somebody's going

648
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,120
to open up and

649
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,159
get us a security photograph or

650
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,960
something especially out at the airport

651
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,840
uh

652
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,840
you got to think that something has

653
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:04,000
shown up on one of the security cameras

654
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:07,120
out there um you know

655
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,320
that's why i'm trying to keep

656
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,960
connections with people

657
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:12,960
you know within the airport as much as

658
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:15,440
possible even security people

659
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,919
uh of course they don't want their names

660
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,679
used and i don't blame them you know

661
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:20,720
they're

662
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,880
but um you know i i i'm just hoping one

663
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,720
of these days we can get a photograph of

664
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:28,320
some type

665
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:31,440
uh but in the meantime you know

666
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,000
you're right i mean this that whole area

667
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:36,400
out there

668
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:39,440
especially on the uh

669
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,679
the north eastern part of the airport

670
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,279
uh there just seems to be a lot of

671
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:47,360
reports coming from that area

672
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,880
in into rosemont i i don't know exactly

673
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:52,880
what it is but it seems like that area

674
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:53,520
up there

675
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:57,039
and then further down further south

676
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,640
into the uh the cargo areas just seem to

677
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,960
be the hot spots

678
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,559
you know i still think there's something

679
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:06,960
to do

680
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:10,559
with that cemetery there um i i think

681
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,760
if there's a portal

682
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,480
that would be the place that it would

683
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:18,159
show up at

684
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,679
i you know i this is just all

685
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:21,760
speculation on my part but you know

686
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:25,440
as many times as we heard about

687
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:28,480
bigfoot upright canine

688
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:31,679
spirit activity all kinds of crazy

689
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,000
uh phenomena occurring in and around

690
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,400
cemeteries and for the fact that there's

691
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:39,919
an actual cemetery

692
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,679
inside the airport property

693
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,600
i i kind of believe that there's some

694
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:47,279
connection there of course we had the

695
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:49,039
ufo sighting

696
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,559
and something being you know ascended up

697
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:54,960
into the ufo

698
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,039
at that um at that cemetery as well as

699
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:01,840
some humanoid sightings other than

700
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:05,120
winged humanoids so um i don't know i

701
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:06,880
mean what are your thoughts on that

702
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,600
well i mean if you've been out today to

703
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,799
wrestle with my

704
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,200
cemetery i've been out there like around

705
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:15,120
11 o'clock at night and

706
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,559
even though there is a very large uh

707
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:21,200
facility directly across the street from

708
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:22,480
this place

709
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:26,000
um the main entrance to the uh

710
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,840
two for semis and everything to go

711
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,039
through is

712
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:31,760
a block and a half down the street so

713
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:34,640
when you get there it is absolutely

714
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:38,320
it's dark it's very very you know you're

715
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:39,919
very much alone

716
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,559
out there uh and it's in a it's on a

717
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:44,720
dead end street of all places

718
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:47,679
um so there's no cross traffic you have

719
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:50,159
to be going to the cemetery

720
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:53,760
uh to get out there and i've gone out

721
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,240
there

722
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,559
you know at night but you know it's also

723
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:57,840
a great place to get

724
00:27:00,950 --> 00:27:00,159
airport security getting called on you

725
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:00,960
to

726
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:04,159
come and get checked out but um it's

727
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:07,120
it's very alone you you it's a very kind

728
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:08,240
of wild place

729
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,679
in the middle of an international

730
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,440
airport um

731
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,159
because um you know a hundred yards over

732
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:16,799
the fence line is an active runway

733
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,559
uh and you will see planes

734
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,559
taxiing toward the fedex facility

735
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,760
because they're going to the back side

736
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:25,120
of the facility

737
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:28,960
and these are you know 747 cargo jets

738
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,720
and just uh i mean 150 yards from this

739
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:35,039
cemetery but this place you get out

740
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,240
there and it's

741
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,840
it's actually really spooky at night

742
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,240
because even though there's an airport

743
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,760
there's all sorts of activity there's a

744
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:43,279
huge processing facility across the

745
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,240
street

746
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:47,440
it's dead silent out there many of those

747
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,399
graves are

748
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,960
you know you know close to 100 if not

749
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:52,799
over 100 years old

750
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,919
um and just think of all the things and

751
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,120
just in that

752
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:59,840
i say within a mile of that place there

753
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:00,559
have been

754
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,240
alien gray sightings uh we had one

755
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,559
gentleman who was at the facility

756
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:11,520
um not even a quarter of a mile down the

757
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:12,640
road from there

758
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,120
who was watching uh who watched the gray

759
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,240
just sounded across the parking lot

760
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,320
um and he tried to run up on the

761
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:22,320
thinking it was this lost child

762
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:25,120
um only to be confronted with an alien

763
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:26,000
grade

764
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:29,600
um and he said that it turned

765
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:32,399
it he says it almost it got into his

766
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:32,880
mind

767
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:35,600
and he it just made him freeze and then

768
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,320
it took off

769
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:38,159
faster than he'd ever seen he said that

770
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:39,360
i think it reports that he

771
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,399
he put usain bolt to shame um at the

772
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,080
speed that he took off

773
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:46,880
um we have seen right there at that

774
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,600
facility

775
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,600
a ufo was like i said something being

776
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,360
ascended up into it

777
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,480
um we the fedex facilities had

778
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:57,360
tons of winged uh sightings we've had

779
00:29:02,549 --> 00:28:58,799
the one gentleman who's an

780
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:02,559
airport employee uh who said that he has

781
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,640
seen multiple uh you know

782
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,440
extraterrestrials

783
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,279
on the airport grounds along the fence

784
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,960
lines he says that don't sit there and

785
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,559
watch them

786
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,720
uh along the fence line or they'll sit

787
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,559
there you know if you'll see them

788
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,440
moving um they've seen you know winged

789
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,120
humanoid activity

790
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,200
um this gentleman is you know said it

791
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,279
was an ongoing

792
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:28,240
thing he says everybody there is they've

793
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,360
gotten

794
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:32,159
kind of uh i want to stay used to it but

795
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,960
he says like

796
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:35,279
no one really he says he doesn't know if

797
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,720
it's part of their

798
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,279
whole mystique whether they've you know

799
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:41,840
you know made it so that no one

800
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,880
um no one um

801
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,880
notices them or maybe he's the only one

802
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,000
noticing but they

803
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:50,799
are really you know he says that they're

804
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:51,440
out there

805
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,269
yeah i'm looking at the map right now

806
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:02,799
and folks if you're interested in

807
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,279
looking at the chicago lake michigan

808
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,039
wing humanoid

809
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:10,080
uh encounter map

810
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,000
um if you go to famzamastas.com

811
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,960
and uh search for the link there it'll

812
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:18,880
take you right there

813
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:22,000
i i just put up the 124th

814
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:25,279
sighting that we feel is legitimate

815
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,080
up on that map with deciding uh

816
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:33,200
we talked about earlier i i just did a

817
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:34,399
head count i mean

818
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:37,919
we've had 16 sightings

819
00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:41,520
in around o'hara

820
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:45,320
and i guess that started in october of

821
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,720
2019 when we started getting reports out

822
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,559
of course we had a report

823
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,799
in rosemont as well we have a four or

824
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,120
five other ones out there

825
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:58,320
so uh for whatever reason i mean you

826
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,399
know it it's just bizarre

827
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,240
you know i found out something as well

828
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,320
maybe you knew about this

829
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:06,559
having lived in chicago for a long time

830
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,360
now

831
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:09,519
uh there used to be another cemetery out

832
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:10,720
there

833
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,480
it was uh

834
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:16,080
it was moved when they started doing the

835
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:17,600
expansions yeah

836
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:21,120
to the airport um and

837
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,159
the only reason no one's touched uh this

838
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:26,159
one is because a it's on the historic

839
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,039
registry

840
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:29,840
uh it can't be touched and number two

841
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,360
it's in a little area where um

842
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:35,440
you know it's out of the way there's you

843
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,000
know there's already um

844
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:41,120
a like a a lot because i'm just behind

845
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,919
it because if

846
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,399
on the other side of the fence are uh

847
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:46,720
they have these big blast protectors

848
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,480
there that are used to deflect like a uh

849
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:52,559
plane turns right there in that vicinity

850
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:53,600
it deflects the

851
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:56,799
the blast of the engines upwards um

852
00:32:01,110 --> 00:32:00,399
so it's not going over it and but yeah

853
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,120
there was

854
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,120
for the longest time on their another

855
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:04,799
cemetery there and they got

856
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,559
uh moved and i remember the um

857
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:11,360
the um the whole scandal about that

858
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,840
because

859
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,600
you know the city of i believe elko

860
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,120
village was trying to fight it

861
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,919
yeah not be moved but then it got moved

862
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,519
because of course they're expanding the

863
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:20,799
airport out

864
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:23,840
um and making it quite larger but

865
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,039
yeah there's a lot of you know

866
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:29,360
wild things have gone on at that airport

867
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:30,399
um

868
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,000
you know we've we've had wow wow

869
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,960
um thinking of all just um the whole

870
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:39,120
array of people that have seen things i

871
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:40,559
mean we're talking

872
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,760
tsa officers we're talking security

873
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:44,880
personnel we're

874
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:48,000
flight uh air traffic controllers

875
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,519
pilots themselves you know and

876
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,760
that was just a wild report you know

877
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:55,279
you're sitting on the flight line as you

878
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:57,039
after you've landed and this thing flies

879
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,399
in front of your

880
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:01,200
plane and you and the co-pilot see this

881
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:02,399
um

882
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:06,320
it's just been just one after the other

883
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:09,360
of of reports and you know you got the

884
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,960
reports coming from the

885
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,279
the usps facility right there in that

886
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:14,880
that general area

887
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,000
um you had you know the reports coming

888
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:20,159
out of the fedex facility all the cargo

889
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:21,519
facilities there

890
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:24,960
that have had so many sightings

891
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:28,000
um you know it just what in the last two

892
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,519
years or so

893
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,080
um and that's not even counting rosemont

894
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:33,760
or schiller park or

895
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:36,960
franklin park um any of those areas

896
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:42,470
uh we we got something here question

897
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,519
from android purity in in the chat

898
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,080
uh states that i haven't seen other

899
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:50,320
paranormal shows talk about the ongoing

900
00:33:54,909 --> 00:33:52,960
wing encrypted sightings in chicago

901
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,919
why aren't more discussing it with

902
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,880
120-plus settings

903
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,559
you know that's a good question and of

904
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,159
course the first thing i got to say is

905
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,080
we got in on this

906
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:05,120
from the very beginning um

907
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,800
in fact uh you're the one that told me

908
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,560
when the first sighting reports went up

909
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:12,320
in 2011

910
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:15,200
on the move on cms and uh some of the

911
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:17,839
earlier sightings came from there

912
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:20,560
and we were aggressive enough to get out

913
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:21,040
there

914
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:25,040
and try to find other exciting reports

915
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:25,359
from

916
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:28,480
folks so when all this started up again

917
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,399
in uh the early spring of 2017

918
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,839
of course there were you know there were

919
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:37,839
other sightings coming from mufon

920
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,440
first of all but then you have

921
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:43,440
you were able to find one of the the

922
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:46,639
witnesses at the oz park sighting

923
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:51,200
and uh we have been getting

924
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:54,560
i would say 98 to 99 of the signing

925
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:55,679
reports between you

926
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,440
myself and uh and tobias

927
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,599
uh and of course it's not all in in

928
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,440
chicago i mean we've gotten a lot of

929
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:05,040
reports

930
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:08,800
in areas around chicago up in as far

931
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:12,400
north as milwaukee and down into

932
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,839
indianapolis and other parts of illinois

933
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:16,400
so

934
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:19,920
you know this is a regional phenomena

935
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,440
and uh you know that

936
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:26,000
i guess that's the best answer to that

937
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:27,200
question because

938
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:30,720
uh we just you know and for the most

939
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:31,280
part i

940
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,400
i just don't i just you're right and i

941
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:36,480
just don't see people talking about it

942
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,240
on other shows uh i don't know i guess

943
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:42,160
it's just because of our experience with

944
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:42,400
it

945
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,839
and maybe they'd just be uh

946
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:47,920
shooting in the dark trying to explain

947
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,320
or understand i mean hell we've written

948
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:52,720
three books about it already now

949
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,240
between myself and dubai so uh you know

950
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:58,800
the information is there you know we

951
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:01,760
of course like with any other thing any

952
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,720
other anonymous

953
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,720
activity you're gonna get your doubters

954
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:06,000
and of course we've got plenty of

955
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:07,520
doubters

956
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,880
on uh the these witnesses we have been

957
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,320
very fortunate

958
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:14,960
we have very good witnesses people who

959
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:17,520
have not been afraid to come forward

960
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:20,960
who have been you know

961
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:23,599
brave enough to come forward and tell us

962
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,240
exactly what happened to them

963
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,960
and i i just hope it continues on i mean

964
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:30,560
you know if this phenomenon is going to

965
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,599
continue

966
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:33,440
we're going to need more reports from

967
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:35,359
people to give us

968
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:38,480
an opportunity to try to ex

969
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,160
find out the reason behind it

970
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:45,280
and it does you know it does come up on

971
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:46,000
other shows

972
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:50,000
but their take on it is not

973
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,599
they're not seeing it from missing it

974
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,720
from a this it's a topic to talk about

975
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,800
um it's a topic to get you know

976
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:58,400
listeners or clicks

977
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:01,599
um and even the uh you know the

978
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,560
newspaper has

979
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,200
run it a couple of times um a couple of

980
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:07,200
documentaries have gone up um

981
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:11,200
about it but you gotta see that

982
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,240
um there are a lot of doubters a lot of

983
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,880
you know even mufon was doubting it for

984
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,079
the longest time some of their

985
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:20,160
explanations were just

986
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,320
outrageous um you know it's

987
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:26,640
it's not like you say it's a regional

988
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,599
phenomenon

989
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,359
and the thing i hate about it the most

990
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:31,280
is that every time i hear something

991
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,079
about you know

992
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:34,079
chicago mockman you know they gotta

993
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:35,760
start drawing the comparisons to point

994
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,560
pleasant

995
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,680
yeah um there are it's this is two sides

996
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,000
of a different coin i was saying coin

997
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,480
um you know there are multiple different

998
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:46,000
kinds of uh

999
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,359
sightings going on in chicago and it has

1000
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:51,680
you know i don't know it's a winged

1001
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,800
humanoid

1002
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,720
that's about the only similarity there

1003
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:55,839
is to

1004
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:00,079
uh point pleasant um

1005
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,630
we've had what about 120 130 reports

1006
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,320
since this all began

1007
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:10,320
honestly i i honestly think there's

1008
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:13,920
maybe four times that amount all right

1009
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,240
yeah i agree i mean uh

1010
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,839
you know if we i think if we had

1011
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:21,920
everybody that come forward for the most

1012
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,720
part

1013
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,400
we wouldn't have time to do anything

1014
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:26,880
else to be honest with you

1015
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,680
uh because um people are definitely

1016
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:31,280
seeing this thing

1017
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,560
and uh i don't know

1018
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,000
you know you're talking about

1019
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:38,480
documentaries small town monsters is

1020
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:41,520
in the process of of making another

1021
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:42,640
documentary

1022
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,920
and this one's about chicago and the uh

1023
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:48,160
the reports they had they had an earlier

1024
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:51,280
production about uh about

1025
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:54,480
uh other reports and and some to do with

1026
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:55,440
chicago

1027
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:58,160
that was a terran disguise uh

1028
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:00,880
documentary which is pretty good

1029
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:03,040
uh but i think this is going to be more

1030
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:05,119
geared into the actual phenomena of the

1031
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:06,079
lake michigan

1032
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,280
phenomenon itself so that's something we

1033
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:10,880
can all look forward to

1034
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,160
uh i i think uh well you and i had

1035
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:16,320
are going to be interviewed too yet so

1036
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,920
um

1037
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,599
uh i've been talking to a few of the

1038
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,119
folks involved there was

1039
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:24,480
seth and uh and uh

1040
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,000
shannon about that so um

1041
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,200
yeah so uh hopefully it continues on

1042
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,480
i mean you know you know i've been

1043
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:37,040
accused so many times of

1044
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:39,920
perpetrating the hoax in order to get

1045
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:41,839
publicity for the blog and books and

1046
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,240
such

1047
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:44,640
well that's just ridiculous i mean you

1048
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:45,760
know

1049
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,079
i i think a lot of people and i don't

1050
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:50,079
know you know i know you and i have been

1051
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:51,680
involved with this together

1052
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,160
from the very beginning and uh

1053
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,240
and tobias came in later on i think the

1054
00:40:01,750 --> 00:40:00,079
bob's a bit skeptical from the very

1055
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,760
beginning but

1056
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,680
yeah he's kind of drunk the cool weight

1057
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,680
since then i guess

1058
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:07,440
yeah some of the reports he's gotten

1059
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,000
have kind of impressed on him that

1060
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:12,079
this is something real this is just as

1061
00:40:15,069 --> 00:40:13,200
in

1062
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,079
uh mass hysteria of people's

1063
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:17,040
hallucinations

1064
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:20,400
yes so um i mean

1065
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:24,079
it's you know i don't even know how to

1066
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,920
how to even just go with that i mean

1067
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,680
people have always said that hey we're

1068
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,200
doing this to make

1069
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:32,000
make money we're we're here to make uh

1070
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:32,960
profits i

1071
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:36,000
have not seen one dime yeah

1072
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,280
yeah so i run my site my site is mostly

1073
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,119
geared towards ufos

1074
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,880
you know sightings and abduction

1075
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,599
sightings i kind of stumbled into this

1076
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:47,680
when i started getting the reports

1077
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:50,800
you know of uh of the wing humanoids

1078
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:54,079
and even now my my main focus with

1079
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:57,599
your clear house is you know ufos um

1080
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,960
if you look at the site you know 99.9

1081
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:03,040
percent of the society ports are all

1082
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,040
ufos um so it's not like

1083
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:09,920
we're sitting here drawing uh you know

1084
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:12,480
large numbers i'm i'm happy if i get you

1085
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:13,119
know

1086
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:16,720
um

1087
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,640
want to

1088
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,000
learn about the truth i'm trying to

1089
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,079
learn about you know research this

1090
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,079
it's something i'm i'm passionate about

1091
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,000
it's something that i like

1092
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,640
to do um i like to you know go out there

1093
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,000
and investigate it

1094
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,119
but at the same time i'm not here to

1095
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,280
you know i'm approaching this with uh

1096
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,440
you know skepticism

1097
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:41,760
i'm not just getting reports and

1098
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:42,720
publishing and say

1099
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:46,160
this is uh this is uh definitive proof

1100
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,839
you know there are quite a lot of hoaxes

1101
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,040
out there there are a lot of

1102
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:52,079
people who who send reports that are

1103
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:54,800
that you know it can be misidentified as

1104
00:42:02,550 --> 00:41:55,119
a

1105
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,560
photo i posted on the group one time um

1106
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,640
it turned out to be what the butterfly

1107
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:05,680
emily

1108
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,119
identified as a butterfly um

1109
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:12,240
and you know there's there are some

1110
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:13,359
things out there

1111
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:16,640
that i can't say i don't know about

1112
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,079
um i heard a recent

1113
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,480
podcast on the way to work where they

1114
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:23,599
were talking about

1115
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,079
the chicago mothman and the gentleman

1116
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,240
was talking about how

1117
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,640
about the sighting report where someone

1118
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,640
has says that they saw it jump off the

1119
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,079
willis tower

1120
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,720
and somebody was out there talking about

1121
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,560
oh it was just a guy in a parachute or

1122
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:39,839
the guy in a wingsuit

1123
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,560
um take it from somebody who worked on

1124
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,040
the 51st floor of the willis tower

1125
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,880
when it's snowing outside and you see

1126
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:48,319
the stove coming

1127
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:51,680
up it's it's not falling down it's

1128
00:42:56,829 --> 00:42:54,880
it's coming up uh blowing upwards

1129
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:56,839
because of the wind that's hitting this

1130
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,160
building um

1131
00:43:01,589 --> 00:43:00,960
carrying the snow up okay there's no way

1132
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:01,599
somebody's

1133
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:05,200
dumb enough um to get up to the top of

1134
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,400
this building first off through the

1135
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,079
security measures that you go through i

1136
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,000
had to go through two checkpoints

1137
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,560
just to get up to my to my office uh

1138
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,000
when i worked up there

1139
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,720
and um that was two security protection

1140
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,800
board i had to take my backpack off

1141
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,319
take my wallet out everything put it

1142
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,920
through an x-ray machine

1143
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,520
you're not gonna get past security

1144
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:25,359
guards there was a parachute or a

1145
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,560
wingsuit on

1146
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,960
um amazing if you did you are going to

1147
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:30,720
either get slammed back up into the

1148
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:31,520
building

1149
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:34,319
or you're going to die very shortly when

1150
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,800
yeah

1151
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:36,720
they don't call chicago the windy city

1152
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:37,920
for no reason i mean

1153
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:41,200
oh yes exactly i got a uh i got another

1154
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:42,160
question here about

1155
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:46,160
real truth uh who does your artwork on p

1156
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,680
phantoms and monsters you know the

1157
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:50,640
artwork

1158
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,599
that i post up there for the most part

1159
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,880
comes from

1160
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:57,359
fans of the site i mean uh people who

1161
00:44:04,230 --> 00:43:58,079
are

1162
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:04,240
make stuff uh voluntarily for the for

1163
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:04,640
this

1164
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:07,520
uh for the group or for the website so

1165
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,000
uh yeah

1166
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,400
that's where most that stuff comes from

1167
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:12,400
also i got another question from nancy

1168
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:12,960
malcolm

1169
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,599
do people think that this mothman or

1170
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,480
wing humanoids is a bad luck sign

1171
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:20,560
of course this all goes back to the

1172
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:22,319
point pleasant harbinger

1173
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:25,599
thing with uh the silver bridge collapse

1174
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:30,480
back in uh december 67

1175
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,960
you know i don't buy into that whole

1176
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,400
harbinger thing you know

1177
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,240
i've you know i've heard a lot of things

1178
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,079
that

1179
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,880
you know people would say after disaster

1180
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:42,960
oh yeah well we saw this winged humanoid

1181
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:43,280
or

1182
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:46,400
that

1183
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,599
and of course you know as long as since

1184
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:51,040
we've been doing all this

1185
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:54,800
i really don't know any

1186
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,200
any uh anything bad or anything

1187
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,359
disasters happening in chicago that we

1188
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,440
could tie that into

1189
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,520
uh of course if it did we'd definitely

1190
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:07,440
be reporting it

1191
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:09,920
so uh i i just don't think i just don't

1192
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:10,720
think there's no

1193
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:13,839
any correlation there yeah

1194
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,960
and i i believe the same thing i don't

1195
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,040
buy into the whole harbinger of doom i

1196
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,359
mean yes there are reports that

1197
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:23,839
um that you know it was seen at

1198
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:25,839
chernobyl it was seen at fukushima it

1199
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,480
was seen in minneapolis before the uh

1200
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,839
the bridge collapsed i believe it was

1201
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:32,480
even seen at before 9 11.

1202
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:35,599
um but

1203
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,040
that could just be coincidence um

1204
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,760
i live in the in the suburbs of chicago

1205
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:42,960
and i've seen

1206
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:45,440
nothing you know yeah we have you know

1207
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:46,000
the shooting

1208
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,839
the carjackings that's everyday life in

1209
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,400
chicago um

1210
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:52,640
it's nothing really disastrous is

1211
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:55,359
happening these things have been seen

1212
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,200
wow since 2015 uh when the first

1213
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,280
yeah when i was 2011 we start seeing the

1214
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:03,440
words around the university of chicago

1215
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:04,400
were the first ones

1216
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:07,920
that came along um so

1217
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,520
it's um you know nothing has really

1218
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:13,200
happened i don't really buy into the

1219
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:14,160
whole

1220
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:17,200
um harbinger doing i do that does

1221
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:20,319
you know tie directly back again to

1222
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,000
point pleasant

1223
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,680
virginia yeah um

1224
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,520
now i just wanted to mention folks in

1225
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,079
the chat if you if you got a question

1226
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,640
or you want to make a donation uh please

1227
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,480
feel free to do so

1228
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,640
we will try to answer your questions

1229
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,160
here's your chance to

1230
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,119
if you got any questions about uh the

1231
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,920
phenomena in chicago or even ufos we're

1232
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:45,599
going to talk about that

1233
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,480
and we will answer your questions um

1234
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:50,560
yeah speaking of ufos and of course

1235
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,920
that's your bread and butter

1236
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:54,400
not really mine but you know i'm kind of

1237
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:56,319
interested in the phenomena

1238
00:47:02,950 --> 00:46:59,839
but not not like you and maybe butch

1239
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,960
uh what do you make of this whole ufo

1240
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,720
government disclosure thing do you

1241
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:06,880
believe like i do that this is

1242
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:09,280
that we're being spoon fed this this

1243
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:10,960
information

1244
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,000
are is just

1245
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:17,119
something to quell the masses i honestly

1246
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:17,920
think it's

1247
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,720
it's something to spoon feed the masses

1248
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,160
i mean

1249
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:23,680
why would you want to come out during

1250
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,240
this um honestly

1251
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,920
this is something that's been happening

1252
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:30,000
for thousands of years

1253
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:33,040
we've only had the modern ufo uh

1254
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:36,640
era since um i believe it was ken arnold

1255
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,839
yeah mount um but

1256
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,839
i mean come on back in biblical times

1257
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:43,920
prehistoric times how many

1258
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,720
how many ancient artworks depict uh

1259
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:47,920
rockets or men with

1260
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,200
uh suits or even grays um

1261
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,119
a lot of the cave work that's in france

1262
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,800
that was discovered has a lot of

1263
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,640
creatures that look like graves

1264
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:57,839
hieroglyphics

1265
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:01,359
have things that look like grays um

1266
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,480
honestly i don't i

1267
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,079
i think that they're just trying to

1268
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,800
maybe barely scratch the service

1269
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,640
there are so many things that the

1270
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:12,480
government does not tell

1271
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,760
you know us and you know and i believe

1272
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,839
part of it is you know yeah you don't

1273
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,280
want to have an uncontrolled

1274
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:22,079
you know you know breakdown of society

1275
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:22,720
because

1276
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,000
i mean for the most part humans are

1277
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,760
you know we think we're the center of

1278
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,200
the universe um

1279
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,280
imagine how that's gonna go when we find

1280
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,400
out we're not

1281
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:35,040
um but there are so many things out

1282
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:35,839
there

1283
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,319
um that have been seen the military's

1284
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:39,760
been seeing

1285
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,359
ufos since that's been i want to say the

1286
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:45,280
revolutionary war there are reports of

1287
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,480
lights and sky

1288
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:48,559
and think of the world war two foo

1289
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:49,599
fighters

1290
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,040
um think about you know

1291
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:55,920
a good example would be the iranian uh

1292
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,640
incident

1293
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,480
where they sent a mig after one of these

1294
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:00,240
and the meg never came back

1295
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,839
um you know there are reports of

1296
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,680
soldiers seeing flying humanoids in

1297
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:07,040
vietnam

1298
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:13,359
there are so many things out there that

1299
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,319
i think that

1300
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,800
they're just trying to you know quell

1301
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:17,760
the masses

1302
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:21,280
in a way um i was kind of surprised

1303
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,000
really to

1304
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,920
see obama actually get on there and talk

1305
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,040
about it

1306
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:28,079
really really surprised uh that stopped

1307
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:29,440
me dead in my tracks

1308
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,800
but um honestly i i think they're

1309
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:34,559
spoon-feeding

1310
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:38,480
only imagine

1311
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:42,240
how many hundreds if not thousands

1312
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:46,079
of hours that the military must have

1313
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:50,000
of flight recordings that might have uh

1314
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:52,720
ufos look at this this one from the navy

1315
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,359
you know

1316
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,680
this was a they locked onto it with uh

1317
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,200
an advanced clear

1318
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,599
system and they the fluorescent could

1319
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,520
barely keep up with it

1320
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,680
um and this is a i believe it was an

1321
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,119
f-22 raptor

1322
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:08,160
that they were flying or an f-18 i mean

1323
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,359
either way they're

1324
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,119
very fast and this thing was outpacing

1325
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,599
them um

1326
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,920
there are so many reports out there of

1327
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,160
such technology of the technology that

1328
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,280
we may have already

1329
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,720
i mean there's there's always been that

1330
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,480
saying that you know the government's 50

1331
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,000
years ahead of everything

1332
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,640
that they release i mean they did we

1333
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:30,480
didn't know about the sr-71 until

1334
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:33,839
what a decade after it was created yeah

1335
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,119
and flying um one

1336
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,359
interesting thing um this is always an

1337
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:41,359
interesting one that i've always liked

1338
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,440
um have you ever seen the report of the

1339
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,880
uh of the noaa

1340
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:47,119
satellite that caught something leaving

1341
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:48,559
groom lake

1342
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,400
um they caught the contrail and they

1343
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,640
it was in the photo it's just a straight

1344
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:56,559
contrast starting from nevada

1345
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,319
out over the atlantic it covered that

1346
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,640
space where it flew out of frame over

1347
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:03,520
the atlantic

1348
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:07,520
it covered that space in 15 minutes

1349
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,559
now imagine the speed that this thing

1350
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:11,760
was flying

1351
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,240
uh sr 71 maybe

1352
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:18,480
maybe come close but this thing has

1353
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,440
maybe

1354
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:21,280
i wouldn't say was quite going twice the

1355
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:22,720
speed

1356
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,079
of the sr-71 and

1357
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:28,720
it was caught on noah on anoa weather

1358
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:29,599
satellite and

1359
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:32,079
it's just they did the calculations they

1360
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,119
said this thing

1361
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:35,680
you know completed that you know a

1362
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:36,720
couple of what 3

1363
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:40,000
000 mile journey in 15 minutes um

1364
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:42,160
imagine you know the the reports of

1365
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:43,520
people seeing the

1366
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,559
what they call the aurora and even by

1367
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,680
now even by

1368
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,359
today's standards i'm pretty sure aurora

1369
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,920
is probably outdated

1370
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,079
um you know how many people have

1371
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,920
reported seeing the uh the donuts on a

1372
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,200
string

1373
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,520
caused by the by the engine of what they

1374
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:01,440
are the aurora which is a nuclear pulse

1375
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:08,309
i i think honestly by now i would think

1376
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:09,119
that

1377
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:12,240
you know we are so advanced

1378
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:16,160
that the government doesn't want to be

1379
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,680
the ones who say hey

1380
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,280
we've gotten all this stuff because we

1381
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:20,800
were reverse engineering

1382
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:23,920
you know um things that we caught

1383
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:27,760
back in the 50s um

1384
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:31,119
so honestly i just think that it's it's

1385
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,640
you know they're kind of filling the

1386
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:34,559
masses by giving us just a little bit of

1387
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:37,119
tantalizing information

1388
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:41,040
um you know i i think that you know

1389
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:45,040
they're never it's if they ever did it

1390
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:46,559
would be a

1391
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:49,920
a blow to a society

1392
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:52,319
if this would never happen but and then

1393
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:53,520
honestly

1394
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,200
nowadays even if the government would

1395
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:59,040
come up and say even if i was to stand

1396
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:00,559
up and say

1397
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,359
the aliens are real we're not alone half

1398
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,040
of us would never believe it

1399
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,200
oh sure you know he could be telling the

1400
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:08,800
honest to god truth and happiness never

1401
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,000
believe it

1402
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,000
i got another question here from android

1403
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,160
purity do you still get winged cryptid

1404
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:16,240
reports in west virginia

1405
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:24,950
you know uh even since the

1406
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:28,880
the mothman sightings out of um

1407
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:32,800
out of uh point pleasant in that whole

1408
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:36,800
megan county uh mason county uh

1409
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,400
area we we still get reports i mean i

1410
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:42,319
have had

1411
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:45,280
god i have no idea but i i know it tends

1412
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:46,800
the reports

1413
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:50,160
anywhere from uh that area around

1414
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:53,200
around uh point pleasant

1415
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:55,839
any and up and down the ohio river

1416
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:56,720
valley from

1417
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,000
cincinnati up into pittsburgh

1418
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,319
i mean there just have been a lot of

1419
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:04,079
sightings over the years and it's still

1420
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,960
active

1421
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,440
and in fact the area around point

1422
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:09,839
pleasant where the original

1423
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:13,440
sightings came from the west virginia

1424
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:15,839
ordinance works citing at the old tnt

1425
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,640
plan

1426
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,480
we still get sightings we still get

1427
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:20,559
reports

1428
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:24,880
you know they're not well known but uh

1429
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,160
yeah we still get it so

1430
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:30,079
to answer the question yeah we still got

1431
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:35,349
and actually that whole area is pretty

1432
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,839
rich in reports not only a winged

1433
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:39,839
humanoids but sasquatches

1434
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:43,040
upright canines um that whole area is

1435
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,760
pretty rich

1436
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,680
in you know sites even before the

1437
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,119
mothman

1438
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,760
uh sightings that's kind of like that

1439
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,880
little area

1440
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,559
along the ohio river there are a lot of

1441
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,640
stuff inside and yes there are

1442
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,079
i like to agree yeah there are still

1443
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,400
citing the weak humanoids out there

1444
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,480
yeah we're going to uh we're going to

1445
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,040
have an interesting guest coming up in

1446
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,240
a couple of weeks or so uh

1447
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:08,720
that ties directly into some of the

1448
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:09,839
phenomena it

1449
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:13,280
uh at point pleasant parts

1450
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:16,880
nearby uh where

1451
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,119
actually some of the stuff that was

1452
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:21,359
going on back in the 60s is actually

1453
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,880
still going on

1454
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,400
so that will be interesting that's kind

1455
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:26,000
of a surprise so we'll

1456
00:55:32,829 --> 00:55:29,200
we'll make that available at the time

1457
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:32,839
uh but um yeah and of course i've got

1458
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:37,040
um uh ray keller coming on as well and

1459
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:37,599
he's gonna

1460
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:40,720
talk about a lot of that

1461
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,839
ufo like you said manny the uh the ufo

1462
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:45,920
phenomena

1463
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,079
is something that had happened been

1464
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,640
going on around that area for

1465
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,640
many years prior to the mothman

1466
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,119
phenomena so uh

1467
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,920
yeah i'd uh i have to agree with you on

1468
00:56:02,549 --> 00:55:58,960
that

1469
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,559
this um

1470
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,319
folks we got you know we got a couple

1471
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:05,760
more minutes so if you got a question

1472
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:08,480
get it out there as soon as you can

1473
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,079
um i i

1474
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,160
i'm just wondering with this thing in

1475
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:16,319
chicago and around

1476
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,640
how much uh other phenomena is gonna

1477
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,720
raise his ugly head you know i hate you

1478
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,280
know i don't really like saying that but

1479
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,720
the uh you know of course with this

1480
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:28,640
dragon sighting and of course we've had

1481
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:29,440
the

1482
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:34,720
evolve into more

1483
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:38,079
phenomena or is it going to be tied into

1484
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,839
other things you know we have talked

1485
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:41,200
about the

1486
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:44,160
the fermi lab connection possible

1487
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:45,359
connection

1488
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:47,119
and the new activity that's been going

1489
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:49,920
on out there that's out in cook county

1490
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:53,119
um maybe there's there is a connection

1491
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:54,640
there who knows

1492
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:57,359
yeah i mean burmese is left handed in

1493
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:58,880
batavia illinois which is

1494
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,520
not very far from here um you also got

1495
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:03,200
to remember you have argonne national

1496
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,240
laboratory

1497
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,520
right here in chicago um as well quite a

1498
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:09,119
few other you know facilities you have

1499
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:11,599
like avid molecular avid uh

1500
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:14,720
you know labs that are here um

1501
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:17,920
they're i honestly think that you know

1502
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:20,880
it's evolving um you guys kind of think

1503
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,280
that with

1504
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,839
all the things that you know you have in

1505
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,520
here and around this area chicago's

1506
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:27,839
always had a rich history not only of

1507
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:31,119
you know a cult paranormal but you know

1508
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,119
the cryptic sites i mean not too far

1509
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:35,440
away from here is uh bray road

1510
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,119
you know the beast of bray road uh

1511
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:39,040
upright canines

1512
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,559
one of the most famous upright canine

1513
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:43,680
sightings uh that are still ongoing

1514
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:46,319
uh and that's in uh southern wisconsin

1515
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,280
uh right

1516
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,520
i think maybe an hour hour and a half

1517
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:51,040
from where i'm here where i'm at right

1518
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:51,920
now

1519
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:55,040
um i think that it's it's eventually

1520
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:55,680
gonna

1521
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,640
you know come to a head i think but you

1522
00:58:01,510 --> 00:58:00,240
know you see it more and more

1523
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,520
uh you're starting to see more and more

1524
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,079
reports coming out of chicago ufos

1525
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:06,000
starting to see more and more reports of

1526
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,440
you know wing humanoids

1527
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,839
um i think you had another one before

1528
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:11,359
the dragon one you had one in uh

1529
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:12,240
schiller park

1530
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:15,440
another one um that had come out

1531
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,880
so i think that you know like you said

1532
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:20,319
earlier it's probably gonna be a very

1533
00:58:24,450 --> 00:58:23,119
busy summer

1534
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:24,460
yeah well we can only hoop

1535
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:27,680
[Laughter]

1536
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,440
well mandy well i want to thank you for

1537
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:31,359
coming on this evening i appreciate you

1538
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:32,240
taking the time

1539
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:34,400
to talk about this we'll have to have

1540
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:36,000
you come in more and more

1541
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:39,040
um you know i'm quite sure if this

1542
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,960
this stuff really picks up again we're

1543
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:43,440
gonna have you and tobias

1544
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:47,280
join me uh more times than not

1545
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:51,440
and uh you know keep everybody informed

1546
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,240
on what people are seeing what our

1547
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:55,599
thoughts

1548
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:58,559
are about it our theories and uh you

1549
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,920
know hopefully we'll come up with an

1550
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,520
answer someday so

1551
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:03,599
once again uh tell the folks how they

1552
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:04,640
can contact you

1553
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:08,079
and uh uh anything else that you

1554
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:10,400
want to put out there well you can

1555
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:11,119
always

1556
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:16,319
find me at www.ufoclearinghouse.com

1557
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:19,520
there are uh reports posted i say about

1558
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:21,040
every other day or so

1559
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:23,839
um as soon as i can get to them i'm

1560
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:25,680
usually really busy with work

1561
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,160
um on facebook um uh emmanuel navarette

1562
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,880
um and you can also find i have a ufo

1563
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:34,400
clearinghouse uh page

1564
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:37,680
on uh a ufo clearinghouse group on

1565
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:38,720
facebook

1566
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:41,920
and i have also just started a new uh

1567
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:45,520
page um for uh the chicago mossman and

1568
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:47,520
wing humanoid sightings where we'll be

1569
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:50,720
uh going more into more into discussion

1570
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:53,359
you know you know from a scientific

1571
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,079
point of view

1572
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,920
you know physics scientific point of

1573
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:57,839
view about the moss man

1574
01:00:01,030 --> 01:00:00,319
uh actually have a good uh question

1575
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:01,040
right now about

1576
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:04,559
talking about the wing size you know

1577
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:06,400
physically scientifically possible for

1578
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:07,599
this thing to fly

1579
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,799
you know and if it if we could uh

1580
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:12,240
what kind of a wingspan would something

1581
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:15,280
like this need and power need to be

1582
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:19,599
able to achieve flight um and

1583
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:22,559
we're also on uh twitter at uh ufo

1584
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:23,599
clearinghouse

1585
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:26,880
and yeah okay well

1586
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:29,119
thanks again you have a good weekend and

1587
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:30,480
we'll be talking soon

1588
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,990
now if you have an unexplained encounter

1589
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:37,839
setting feel free to contact me through

1590
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,240
the families of monsters blog site

1591
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,799
uh i once again thank manuel navrat for

1592
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,559
joining me this evening

1593
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:47,200
and thanks to each and all of you for

1594
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,240
watching and

1595
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,400
chatting you know this chat room has

1596
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,960
really evolved i mean it's getting

1597
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,240
we're getting more and more people

1598
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:56,400
coming in there please

1599
01:01:02,630 --> 01:00:59,839
tell your friends neighbors enthusiasts

1600
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:02,640
research people to make their way over

1601
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:04,880
here on friday nights it's

1602
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,000
a lot of interesting discussion if you

1603
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:10,480
did make a super chat donation tonight

1604
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:13,280
it's truly appreciated your support is

1605
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:15,359
what makes all this possible so

1606
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:18,880
please like subscribe and share and

1607
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:21,680
uh next week i've got kitsy duncan

1608
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:24,880
coming back with her paranormal group

1609
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:27,680
and that should be very interesting uh

1610
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:28,960
she's involved with a

1611
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:32,000
a production now uh

1612
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,440
i i think it's local in the uh

1613
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,440
indiana area but i don't know that for

1614
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:39,440
exactly you know for sure but

1615
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:41,920
i know you can find her on youtube so

1616
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:43,839
we'll go all that when

1617
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:46,000
when i put up the information this week

1618
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:48,079
so until next week

1619
01:02:01,090 --> 01:01:51,040
stay healthy have a safe and enjoyable

1620
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:13,750
[Music]

1621
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:38,800
[Applause]